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Old 02-08-2008

It would be interesting to list all these incedents.

The main problem in Hamburg is, that you are allowed to feed the other monkys but not the apes... So visitors that are not that smart will think: Hey, it´s another monkey, feed it.

Now at the enclosure are 2 more signs: No feeding... Bravo, now everything ist better...

Btw: Rumors say Leila was pregnant...
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Tuan - *1998 Duisburg (Siam x Anette), since 2001 Hagenbeck/Hamburg, will become the new alpha male. He is very communicative and everybody´s darling.

Bella – wild *1961 ?, since 1964 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is one of the eldest female orangutans living in a zoo, adopted the children of another female (Mokko) and brought them up (Chuij, who is living now in Budapest/Hungary and Sinta, now in Stuttgart/Germany) together with her own ones. As she is a brave and agil orang, she was one of the first exploring the new habitat and mating there with Sinjo, the boss, who died last year. At the age of 44 (!) years she gave birth in 2005 to a healthy daughter, who was named

Harapan (which means “hope”) and “Marie”, because there exists a german song “Bella Marie…”. Sure, it´s her last offspring.

Toba - *1984 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Brigitte), since 1989 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is very corpulente and dominant and since some years the female leader of the group when she displaced the elder Bella. Sinjo was her favourite and you could often find her together with him even sharing the food! There are 2 offsprings living still with her:

Sly - *1999 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Kejutan - *2004 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Mokko - *1983 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Djambi), since 1989Hagenbeck/Hamburg, half-sister of Toba. She has a very special personality. Her first children she refused and Bella took care of them. She is the best looking female orang and also a little bit aggressive. Her two last daughters are living with her:

Laila - *1998 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)

Simia - *2005 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)
is Djambi by any chance the female at colchester zoo ???
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is Djambi by any chance the female at colchester zoo ???
No it is not the same Djambe. The Frankfurt one is much older.
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It would be interesting to list all these incedents.

The main problem in Hamburg is, that you are allowed to feed the other monkys but not the apes... So visitors that are not that smart will think: Hey, it´s another monkey, feed it.

..
I listed the ones I knew of somewhere on another thread once.

From memory;
Bronx 1951. Male gorilla fell in and drowned
Frankfurt 1960's Male gorilla fell in(heart attack?) and drowned.
"" "" " chimpanzee also drowned? (they filled in the moat afterward but now the new apehouse has water barriers again...)
Longleat. 1970's. male gorilla drowned.
Chester.1960's Young orangutan drowned.
Dublin. young orangutan drowned ?(I think)
Chimpanzee drowned.
Hanover.1990's. male Gorilla 'Arti' drowned.
Hagenbeck (yesterday). female Orangutan drowned.
Arnhem- I think an orangutan may have drowned there also.

There may be others I don't know about....
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Old 27-08-2008

Going there this autumn. Looking forward too see the exhibit, and the zoo...
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Old 27-08-2008

The orangutan exhibit looks marvellous, especially with the natural light streaming through the roof, but the moat full of water is simply asking for trouble down the road. I agree with Pertinax and think that the inclusion of the moat in the exhibit is lazy and ridiculous.
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Old 27-08-2008

I loved that branches are especially designed for climbing mode of orangutans.

They have lots of vertical ropes spaced at orangutan arm-width. And bamboo poles which swing under orangutan weight, like wild orangutans swing on small trees. So apes are wonderfully active and happy.

In other zoos you see random mish-mash of branches and ropes, and orangutan climbing with difficulty or sitting on the ground. This is true for other climbing animals, too.
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I loved that branches are especially designed for climbing mode of orangutans.

They have lots of vertical ropes spaced at orangutan arm-width. And bamboo poles which swing under orangutan weight, like wild orangutans swing on small trees. So apes are wonderfully active and happy.

In other zoos you see random mish-mash of branches and ropes, and orangutan climbing with difficulty or sitting on the ground. This is true for other climbing animals, too.
I think that hopefully new Orangutan exhibits will from now on incorporate these vertical ropes and/or bamboo poles which allow captive Orangutans to climb and swing properly as they would in the wild. Other new Orangutan exhibits that have these are Melbourne and Chester, I'm sure there are others too.

I agree that ordinary ropes, rubber 'fire hoses' and solid climbing frames for Orangs are really little better than not giving them any climbing equipment at all. Hopefully we will see this style disappear in the future.

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I was in Hagenbeck Zoo last week and I liked this exhibit very much! Very original building, that can close when it's bad weather.


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Old 05-09-2008

I think that house looks amazing... Going to the zoo in the late October?? BTW, what weather is it usually in Hamburg and Hannover in the late October??
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I am sorry, I am the only one who think that this exhibit is bad?
i was there, for the people its amazing, very nice looking, and for the first look i thought that its the same for the animals but the cafe inside the exhibit?!
The smell of oil (from frying) was bad, i have to say that i couldnt stand it and i can only think what those poor orangs must smell everyday.

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I have a question regarding one of Animal's pictures...Can the otters access that little bit of land in front of the cafe?
And from looking at zoolex I hadn't realised that there was an underwater view to see the otters swimming.
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I am sorry, I am the only one who think that this exhibit is bad?

The smell of oil (from frying) was bad, i have to say that i couldnt stand it and i can only think what those poor orangs must smell everyday.

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Really interesting point! In winter it must get out of control!

Had never really considerd the negative effect of smells on animals in captivity.
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I have a question regarding one of Animal's pictures...Can the otters access that little bit of land in front of the cafe?
And from looking at zoolex I hadn't realised that there was an underwater view to see the otters swimming.
Yes, they can. That is the otters' private area.
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In Winter, the café is only open on weekends.
 


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