Dusky Langur birth » Adelaide Zoo

Dusky Langur birth
03-05-2008

AdelaideNow... Dusky baby a rare sight at zoo

03-05-2008

much as i love francois, if that program doesnt get up and running I'd eagerly settle for this stunning species

03-05-2008

had to ask....what would people have preferred from the TAG? Keeping mixed-race Colobus and phasing out of guenons or the other way round?
Both species were pretty much in the same situation in terms of genetics and number of holders, only difference being that the Colobus monkey were maintained in two seperate sub-species...
do you guys think that the zoos have done the right thing here by replacing a potentially viable species with another one, albeit diluted???

03-05-2008

I just went to see the baby today. Flier mostly kept to the back of the tree and she and the baby were getting lots of attention from the others

03-05-2008

can anyone from South Australia give the forum an insight into the numbers, breeding history, genetics and transfer history of this langur group?

04-05-2008

Hey Glyn,

The group are a wild-born female, smuggled into the country in the late 80's and confiscated at the airport (interestingly, it had been concealed down the cleavage on a "largish" lady during the flight from Asia, but that's a whole other story!); a male imported from Wuppertal in the early 90's; a female imported from Singapore Zoo in 2001; and a male imported from Twycross Zoo in 2004.

The sire of the new baby is the Twycross male, and the dam is the Singapore female.

04-05-2008

In 2006 the same pair gave birth to a baby, I think it was a male.

04-05-2008

Where would the first young be now?

05-05-2008

Correct me if I've got it wrong, but I assume that Dusky langurs are being phased out in favour of Francois'?
I'm with you glyn; if Francois' fails then we should stick with Duskies.(Ah you know me - I'm hopelessly unrealistic - I want us to keep them both!)

I feel the same way about the Colobus/De Brazza's guenon situation. I suppose that it's not ideal that we have both guereza and kikuyuensis races of colobus, but we have to be realistic with what's available to us. It's a bit like the racial differences between the various asiatic elephants; we are (hopefully) breeding a true species and that's what matters.
Colobus are beautiful, interesting monkeys, but I'd have loved it if we could also have kept the guenons. (The "ideal" zoo, to me, would have about 10 different species of guenons! In fact, while I'm day-dreaming, it would have an entire section of African monkeys ranging from Abyssinian colobus to Drills! Maybe in heaven.)

05-05-2008

On that note was it not the reason that the Javan Langers were also being phashed out as well to make room for the Francois species?

05-05-2008

After further investigation, I need to correct my earlier post. The male from Wuppertal died. The second male at Adelaide is the one born there in 2006 that Reptile lover and jay refer to.

Apologies for any confusion.

05-05-2008

No need to apologise ZooPro.
We are lucky to have you on this forum - you (and your son-in-law glyn) are the main source of facts among all the conjecture re Aussie zoos.

05-05-2008

thanks ZooPro, good to know.

05-05-2008

Thanks ZooPro because I didn't know about the other male before it died. I haven't seen the new baby yet but the one from 2006 looked really cool between the grey ones.

05-05-2008

i will try and remember a camera tomorrow and get some snaps.