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Vienna Zoo has "Barbary" lion cubs
29-07-2008
Vienna Zoo claims Atlas (Barbary) lion cubs in a rather confused article (in the headline they are called "crossbreeds" and in the story "a sub-species of the Atlas lion")
AFP: Austrian zoo says lion cub triplets may be rare Atlas crossbreed
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#2
29-07-2008
What a poor story... its as if the zoo thinks that ordinary lions can somehow produce 'Barbary lions' in the same way normal tigers might produce a white cub. Vienna must know if their breeding stock are 'registered' as Barbary or not (although even if they were it doesn't mean much)
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#3
29-07-2008
I doubt that the zoo "thinks" in that manner; more likely, the local press just formed their very own story out of it, adding and editing whatever they think will work...
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#4
30-07-2008
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 On the same subject, how do you view the 'Barbary' scenario? A waste of time and effort, or a worthwhile attempt to maintain or recreate animals similar in appearance to the original stock..? Last edited by Pertinax; 30-07-2008 at 02:52 AM. |
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#5
30-07-2008
I think the female lion in Vienna is from the so-called "barbary" stock. The father is a "zoo"-lion - hybrid of unkown subspecies.
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#6
30-07-2008
Thanks Yassa. That explains the story a bit more clearly.
Do you know anything about the Lions at Neuwied Zoo? They are said to have (at least) one which has been DNA tested and shown 'not to be from SubSaharan Africa.' Any further information on that? |
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#7
30-07-2008
The Neuwied lions have been imported directly from Rabat Zoo a few years ago and had a number of cubs (2 females each are now living in Erfurt and Berlin, but with a "zoomix" lion as partner).
I havn`t heard about any genetic tests regarding them, sorry. |
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#8
30-07-2008
It sounds a bit dubious then...
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#9
30-07-2008
Dna test could solve everything, no harm in doing so, unless the results come back and they aren't Babary or this Atlas species, then the zoo keepers would obviously be dissapointed,
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#10
30-07-2008
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What happens is the zoos concerned don't want to accept this 'proof' these lions are not really from Barbary stock, so they just continue with their conservation/lion breeding project as before, even if it then becomes a relatively pointless exercise.. Last edited by Pertinax; 31-07-2008 at 02:56 AM. |
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#11
02-08-2008
I know the lions in Neuwied, and if they are not true atlas it´s not the point. They look different to all other lions i know, and i think that counts.
I mean, after your understanding amur and chinese leopard (both had in beginning of the breading programm other spp in the breed) and also asiatic Wildhorses (were crossed with domestic-horses) are not pure... So what. There noone says anything... |
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#12
02-08-2008
The point is that the DNA tests that have been done so far shows these lions which have been tested don't come from Barbary stock at all. Its like testing some supposedly Amur leopards and then finding they don't have any Amur blood in them at all.
I don't know about the Neuwied lions though- this could be a different case if they were DNA tested and proved not to originate from south of the Sahara. At least that is more hopeful. Maybe you can find out more? |
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#13
03-08-2008
I'll be visitig Neuwied in the next months, so I´ll ask someone.
And now for all of you who want to see the lions from Neuwied, here are some pics a frind of me took. Aspecily look at the lions faces. here an here here too now klick here  and, at last here |
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#14
03-08-2008
[quote=Animal;64916]I'll be visitig Neuwied in the next months, so I´ll ask someone.
Perhaps you can find out how many lions were DNA tested and what it has revealed about their Ancestry? |
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