Indian rhinos in Europe

16-02-2008

Regarding your queries:

1. Belur is a special case for treatment (Jhansi-wise, he indeed bites her ... knows why) Belur was born to a Mysore Zoo born bull (with no other reps in EEP) and a Nepali wild caught cow (died in 2003). So, genetically speaking he is extremely valuable to the EEP.

The latter is probably the reason the EEP is now candidating Jacob for a breeding position with young cow Shikari.

2. Hugo was born of a Planckendael born bull (part Assamese bull + Basel cow) and Stuttgart born cow (Basel line in extremo). His combination is less useful, but will add a new line to the UK Indian rhino groupings.

3. Cow Shikari (born October 2006) is an offspring of a Stuttgart bred bull (again Basel line in extremo) coupled with a wild-caught Nepali cow. Ironically, this makes the Stuttgart calves highly desirable from a genetic perspective.

16-02-2008

Who are Patna's Parents?

Is he important to the EEP?

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16-02-2008

Patna is Belur`s son (mother Betty) and therefore extremely important genetically, while Jakob is the son of Jhansi and Yodha (the male from the west Berlin Zoo - Belur and Jhansi are not coming along as mentioned here correctly). Patna is Belur`s first offspring I think, the second is daugther Saathi who is now approx. 2 years, and the third is underway (Betty being pregnant again).

Is Yodha genetically important too, Jelle?

By the way Pertinax, I think rhinos are like humans sometimes, Belur just can`t stand Jhansi. Just like many male gorillas not mating with a specific female.

16-02-2008

Jelle your knowledge of rhinos in Europe is amazing, hehe, glad to have you on board

16-02-2008

1. Jacob is a Yodha (Whipsnade born) x Jhansi (SD-WAP line) calf.
2. Patna is a Belur (Berlin TP line) x Betty (SD-WAP line) calf.

Both a reasonably important genetically, allthough more so for Patna then his older halfbrother.

Trade off
16-02-2008

Hot off the press!!!!!

The last female calf Baatschi (born 2004) will leave Basel Zoo for Whipsnade.
Bull Jaffna will shortly travel back to his erstwhile abode (I suppose he has a second breeding recommendation for the over reps Basel line).

16-02-2008

So Whipsnade will yet have another young female rhino yet to breed with, with one bull leaving and another coming in, how will the new look herd be made up of, looks like they may need to upgrade the old rhino house when the new one is finished, sounds like they may have the largest herd in Europe?

16-02-2008

Yodha is the 2nd offspring of the old Whipsnade\Berlin Zoo line today and thus extremely important from a breeding perspective. The other - cow Ropen at Dvur - is now deemed no longer reproductively viable. Her daughter (a StuttgartxWhipsnade crossing) though is (I know Dvur is trying to source an unrelated male from US ... sometime .. not sure yet when it will happen, so maybe even 2009)!

Yassa, you are right. I think that Jhansi is just not Belur's wet dream I am afraid! I think it is better to have her remain at Berlin Zoo (1.2 at each, allthough Berlin Municipality managers want the zoos to go it complimentary as far as collections are concerned ... unfort.... also and more so for money penny purposes!

Indian rhinos family trees.
16-02-2008

I'm getting more confused where is Shikari- at Stuttgart?

Jelle- it would be great if you could somehow post a family tree of the current principal breeders and their offspring in Europe and how they all interconnect. Its a fascinating subject and seems to involve most of the zoos in the UK and in Europe that keep Indian rhinos.

If not a 'tree', then perhaps a list of the main breeding lines and the names/ages/locations of the animals?

16-02-2008

1. No, Jacob is YodhaxJhansi (Whipsnade/SD-WAP).
I would call Jhansi jokingly the Berlin Zoo commuter (I really think it is best to have her in permanent residence there, but the housing issues at Berlin Zoo may be relevant here as the house is partially used for the black rhinos also) and genetically very important to the EEP.

2. Shikari is BrunoxSani (Stuttgart/Nepal mix).

3. A family tree ... ahum ... yup .... would not you, Mark and all like that? I will see what I can do, but to post it here in manageable proportions .. that REALLY is a CHALLENGE! Next you also want me to make one for the eastern black rhinos in Europe!!!!!

16-02-2008

No, I'd disagree here. It seems Belur is/was overly aggressive with 'Jahnsi' DURING mating and bites her in the process- so he wants to mate but she has been put off. (For some reason he doesn't seem to show the same behaviour with 'Betty') But its not the same as Gorilla males who reject certain females.

That's unless Jelle says different of course....

16-02-2008

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3. A family tree ... ahum ... yup .... would not you, Mark and all like that? I will see what I can do, but to post it here in manageable proportions .. that REALLY is a CHALLENGE! Next you also want me to make one for the eastern black rhinos in Europe!!!!![/quote]

Oh yes, that would be wondeful if you could Jelle

16-02-2008

Where's is Chester's Female coming from then?

Wasn't she the young female calf from Basel?

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16-02-2008

Sorry, Yassa had already posted Jacob's parents- I missed it. So much information to take in!

WHERE is cow Shikari?
From your news, it seems that Whipsnade is going to have 3, or even four cows(if they kept their female calf) with a new bull in due course.

If you just listed the main participating zoos and how the animals all link up, that would do fine...
(You could do a black rhino one later )

16-02-2008

I think there are two female calves at Basel.