Lowland gorillas in Europe

23-09-2007

grantsmb,

Can you clear up the Lisboa Zoo gorilla make-up (1.3).

I guess there are:
M Cuko (wildborn 1972)
F Baka (wildborn?, arrived 1991)
F Anguka (captive-born?)
F Ulca (captive-born? Koeln) arrived 11/2006


Is F Baka wildborn?
When did Anguka arrive and from where?

Can you find out for us?

23-09-2007

F. Baka(Bak) wildborn 1984. in Lisbon 1991 (ex circus)
F. Anguka. captive born, came from Taronga Park Sydney (via Adelaide). born Apenheul 1994.(parents; Kibabu x Frala) Her group sent to Australia in 1996.
F.Ulca. captive born 1981 at Stuttgart(Banjo x Undi) in Koln since 1984. (Has never bred at Koln(?))

23-09-2007

Correction. Ulca bred once at Koln in 1990. This daughter 'Undi' was later sent to Bristol zoo where she produced one male baby 'Djengi' before she died.
Djengi is now in Schmiding, Austria. He is Ulca's only descendant.
Presumably her virtual non- breeding status is why she has been moved...

At Lisbon I would imagine its unlikely 'Ulca' will breed with Cuko, though its possible of course. The most likely female to breed would be the youngest- 'Anguka' -obviously.

23-09-2007

I think the problem in Cologne was/is that the silverback Kim is very "picky" about the females. He likes two (Gina and N`Datwa) and breeds with them but pretty much ignores the other two (Kibi and Ulca). Thankfully Ulca has been moved now. The zoo should do the same with Kibi as soon as possible since she is wild born and has never bred, she is 30 now and maybe she could have a baby if she were moved to another group.

23-09-2007

This is a very common trait in zoo silverbacks. The male has one or two favourites he'll breed with, and others he doesn't like or won't mate with.
Kim and Kibi came as small babies and grew up together at Koln as platonic partners, so there's a mating 'taboo'. You're right that Kibi could still possibly breed if given a new partner. They should definately try it.

Another scenario is where the silverback becomes bored with his females and stops mating them altogether. Yet if new younger ones are introduced, he'll immediately get interested in them. At Frankfurt, Matz- now the oldest silverback in Europe- still breeds with the younger females in the group, but hasn't done with the older ones for many years...

23-09-2007

Yassa,

Perhaps wild born Kibi could be sent to Hannover (proven male, 3 offspring 2004-2006) or Apenheul (new male Jambo has impregnated 2 females already).

Can you give me some more info on gorilla breeding at Koeln:

Any young born lately over there?
Which gorillas are currently at Koeln?

23-09-2007

She'd be best off going to a small group with a breeding silverback but only a very small number of females. Easier to integrate a strange/older female that way...

New holding for lowland gorillas in Spain
30-09-2007

The Parque de la naturaleza Cabarceno near Santander has acquired a pair of lowland gorillas for a new great ape display. The male Niky and female Nadia arrived on 30/4/2007 from Madrid Zoo and are the vanguard of a new larger troupe of lowland gorillas.

The Parque de la naturaleza Cabarceno is primarily known in zoological circles for its breeding of African elephants in natural surroundings. Species exhibitted are giraffe, zebra, waterbuck, addax and Somali wild ass. It is a large drive thru reserve in forested and mountainous territory.

Someone has any historical information on gorillas Niky and Nadia. I suspect they are the former couple at Madrid Zoo and that Madrid Zoo now has a new young group of gorillas as replacements.

grantsmb?

30-09-2007

Madrid Zoo until recently had 2.2 Gorillas;
m Niky wilborn ca 1980.
f. Nadia wildborn ca 1987
m. Malobo. captiveborn Madrid 1991.(Bioko x Nadia- handreared)
f. Banga. captive born Madrid 1991.Bioko x Muni- handreared)

Now from these they have only the male Malobo around who a new trio is being formed. The two new females are Gorka, born in Budapest, and (soon) Coco, a wilborn female from Barcelona. Gorka and Malobo already bred together but the baby died early on. Banga,(who suffers from Alopecia and is bald) is to go to the Givskud group in Denmark. I don't know what other animals will join the pair at Carbarceno.

The Edinburgh(via Twycross) pair SamSam and Yinka were headed for Carbarceno but that changed after Yinka died and new plans were made.

10-10-2007

Duisburg Zoo will shortly sent the elder gorilla pair Catou (silverback) and Dorle (elderly female) to Valencia Bioparc.

A young male will then be added to the current group of ultra youngsters Vizuri, Momo and Safiri to start up a breeding group. Grantsmb said it would be Mapema (ex Paignton), if am I correct ....!

Anyhow, the move is scheduled very soonish.

10-10-2007

Yep. Mapema is still at Paignton at present. I'm trying to find out when he goes....

12-10-2007

Gigit says Mapema is due to leave Paignton on October 3oth. I imagine Catou and Dorle will leave Duisburg before he arrives...

16-10-2007

Hot off the press. At Apenheul Zoo the first gorilla sired by Jambo has been born today!

More info to follow later.

16-10-2007

Great news

16-10-2007

Mother is the very experienced female Mandji, it`s her 8th offspring.